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Mirinee
25-11-2006, 03:48 AM
Do differences between males and females of the same race still exist apart from looks (obviously), animations and equippable gear? What are they like?

I hope 'yes', because the techs ability/stats differences worked well in PSO, although it wasn't always fair :P. I think it's much more realistic and original and fun.

PD Edge
25-11-2006, 05:55 AM
Only difference I believe that exists now is that females get better ata/tp/ and i think evp or def over the males while they get atp and hp and one other stat.

pink
25-11-2006, 07:10 PM
Yes, the typical sexist gender differences are still in place. I thoroughly don't support them because it often leads to people playing outside their own gender (which actually does get a bit annoying. XD), and because I don't like how it's impossible for a female not to have higher ATP, HP, etc than a male if they both focused on getting it as high as possible.

Mirinee
25-11-2006, 07:58 PM
Apart from stats differences, do they have differences similar to the level 15/level 20 techs and the absence of Shifta/Deband/J/Z and the different tech bonuses they had in PSO?

Those were such big differences, and I can understand why people dislike them, but if they didn't exist, then PSO would essentially have seven classes instead of twelve. In an old thread, 'if you could change one thing in PSO what would it be', I suggested that you should be able to select whether to have male or female stats of whichever job/sex you choose (except HUmar/HUnewearl :P).

Once again people could be forced to start crossdressing :( Too bad...

pink
25-11-2006, 08:00 PM
There's no limits on either gender. The only difference is the actual stat growths.

nomercy
25-11-2006, 08:05 PM
I think (and i'm not being sexist or anything) That it's a good thing that males and females are different. It works better with real life, in a way. And besides, since the majority of PSU players are probably gonna be males, you need to choose. Stare at a cute butt and sacrifice ability, or stare at an ugly one, but be stronger.

Mirinee
25-11-2006, 08:05 PM
There's no limits on either gender. The only difference is the actual stat growths.Oh, is that all. :( How... boring... and lazy of them... XD

When you say "growth" do you mean that they increase at different rates while gaining levels, (just like in PSO), and eventually reaching the same level on reaching their final level (which is probably not 200 anymore :P), (which is different from PSO), or do they eventually have different stats too (just like in PSO)?

Sorry if my wording is a little confusing.

pink
25-11-2006, 08:26 PM
What I mean is, the males gain more of certain stats than females (ATP and HP mostly), and females get more of certain stats than males (TP and magic ability). Frankly these typical sexist stat differences really do get on my nerves. They show up in RPGs everywhere. It's like an unwritten law that a female's not allowed to be physically stronger than a male. (Although I did do something rather nasty in Final Fantasy 2 to elminate this... XD)

And Nomercy... I should slap you. :P

nomercy
25-11-2006, 08:29 PM
What I mean is, the males gain more of certain stats than females (ATP and HP mostly), and females get more of certain stats than males (TP and magic ability). Frankly these typical sexist stat differences really do get on my nerves. They show up in RPGs everywhere. It's like an unwritten law that a female's not allowed to be physically stronger than a male. (Although I did do something rather nasty in Final Fantasy 2 to elminate this... XD)

And Nomercy... I should slap you. :P

*gulp* I've been slapped once today already. But its partially true. And I agree with the stereotypes in games. I haven't seen a male white mage apart from in the FF game where you could choose jobs.

pink
25-11-2006, 08:32 PM
One can always hope the world will become less male-dominated with time... XD, and yeah, how often does one see a male healer forced upon you in a game. XD

nomercy
25-11-2006, 08:35 PM
Yeah. Just like how pretty much every female character uses staffs or wands etc.

Mirinee
25-11-2006, 08:35 PM
Stare at a cute butt and sacrifice ability, or stare at an ugly one, but be stronger. I think I'm going to have to slap you too. Sorry. :P Besides, I stared at an ugly butt but I was none the stronger.

Edit: Yey. Love Phantasy Star then. It's different from "the norm". Alis Landale uses Laconium Sword and Noah uses Psycho Wand. And the healer in Phantasy Star IV is a male priest too.

pink
25-11-2006, 08:48 PM
True as that is... there were still plenty of clothing issues with the older Phantasy Star games... which is NOT different from the norm. :P

nomercy
25-11-2006, 09:03 PM
Yeah, I find the clthes slightly weird personally.

Mirinee
25-11-2006, 09:15 PM
True as that is... there were still plenty of clothing issues with the older Phantasy Star games... which is NOT different from the norm. :P
In PS, the character designers were led by a female--Rieko Kodama. I messaged pink and showed her a picture of Rika from Phantasy Star IV's original design (Rika is the HUnewearl on the right):
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b293/Mirinee/ps4_078omgrikahasclothes.png
Rieko Kodama is my hero.
--
Mirinee: Wow. That looks so good. I WISH the character design team kept it! Whose idea was it to change it? I bet it wasn't hers.

Pink: I'd say some stupid male poked his nose in and was like "Lets add sex appeal to our game!" to which every other male went "Yaaaay!" and then Rika was violated.

Mirinee: I bet so too. Poor Rika! At least the two humans girls and the android girl are perfectly decently dressed.

Pink says: But poor Rika... She looked really really REALLY good before being violated. =x.x=

Yeah, I find the clthes slightly weird personally.Which clothes?

p.s. Uhoh, this is kind of turning into a ranting thread. :P

Edit: as a reply to the post below me, RAmarls and a few FOnewearls are okay, and even one or two HUnewearls. (I didn't think this comment merited a separate post).

nomercy
25-11-2006, 09:25 PM
All of them basically. Well, all female ones. Look at them on PSO. All females apart from droids and FOmarls show as much as they can without getting pornographic.

Kisanzi
25-11-2006, 11:38 PM
There's a 5% growth difference between Male (ATP/HP/ATA) & Female (TP/DEF/EVA). Genders have a 105% growth to their specialty 3 stats and a 95% growth to the other 3. It's a very small difference in the big picture after you add race/class/equipment into the mix. So it's good in the fact that no gender is shafted on tech restrictions or ability balance. The only factors that might make a small difference is gender exclusive equipments in the future and of course the random luck everyday.

Starrz
26-11-2006, 04:31 PM
There is little difference between the sexes in PSU. Consider this scenario. Two lv 10 Forces, both lv 45, one is male, and one is female.

male - female

HP: 881 - 851
ATP: 228 - 217
ATA: 137 - 132
TP: 745 - 763
DFP: 74 - 77
EVP: 286 - 296
MST: 233 - 251
STA: 10 - 12

If you couldn't already tell, there are no significant differences in any area. In my opinion, the higher HP on males, cancels out the female's higher DFP and EVP. So the only real differences, are between a male's ATP and ATA, and a female's TP, and MST. Even those areas have no real advantage either.

Mirinee
26-11-2006, 05:15 PM
5%, I see. Only time will tell how much this stat difference at maxed levels can affect gameplay. I notice there's no difference between MST, DEX and LUK. I can also understand the need for exclusive equipments.

While the techs restrictions removal is a good thing (the point of the lev15/lev20 for RAmar/marl was ...?), PSO had the stats between sexes differing differently between jobs too (e.g. HUcast/caseal and RAcast/caseal), so the +5% thing seems far too simple in PSU.

Do mats still exist? With the removal of MAGs, PSU seems to be lacking in customisation of character stats. For example, in PSO, FOmarl has higher natural MST than FOmar at level 200, but if both start taking MIND mats, FOmar's maxed MST is superior to FOmarl's (which is why I ...).

Hope there's more to PSU! ^^

pink
26-11-2006, 05:21 PM
The fact that it's a small difference is even worse really... that means that if the stats are different by such a small margin, why have them differ at all? Thus, making me believe it to be sexist even MORE strongly. :P

Mirinee
26-11-2006, 05:26 PM
Yes, that would be fairest if you really really want sexual equality, but game-play wise, that would have collapsed PSO to 7 classes instead of 12. Think about that.

Edit: Meant 7 classes. I couldn't count.
HUmar
HUnewearl
HU androids
2xRA
2xFO

pink
26-11-2006, 05:37 PM
Oh that's not really what I wanted for PSO there Mirinee... I just wanted there to be a balance between female classes having more HP, ATP, etc than their male counter-part and ones that don't, instead of almost all (I believe the FOmarl was an exception... BARELY), not being stronger in those stats. I'm merely displeased that the females always suffer in the same area as if everyone says we can't be physically stronger than the boys.

Kitsadoodles
26-11-2006, 09:28 PM
The game wouldn't be as diversely fun if all of the stats were the same, but the fact that girls always have the same stats worse than the guys! I loved the stats in PSO because other than the HP/ATP differences, all of the stats were mixed up based on which class you were using! Since there are no pre-determined classes in PSU, things are... different!